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]]> By: Michael Sheehan http://www.johnmwillis.com/amazon/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3684 Michael Sheehan Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:42:37 +0000 http://www.johnmwillis.com/saas/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/#comment-3684 John, I know that we have had some discussion before and perhaps this could be (or already is) a subject of another of your articles. Everyone is caught up in the cloud hype and perhaps ignoring other services that may be better matches for what people are looking for. I would love to see a discussion about cloud vs. other offerings. I'm (obviously) especially intrigued by your "level 3" classification of "cloud disrupters" of which you only list one vendor (3Tera). There are definitely others that are "under the radar". Cloud computing is not for everyone. There are definitely companies/developers who are interested in maintaining full control of their environments. I think that people need to know that by choosing a "cloud" solution, they give up certain flexibilities that come with dedicated servers, grid servers or even virtualized servers (like root access and full control of the underlying OS). I think one commonality is that of scalability. The "elasticity" of the cloud providers is a definite plus, meaning you scale automatically all using abstracted hardware and management software. Within traditional hosting, that can be done as well but can be slower and a bit more expensive. But what about that sweet spot in the center (scale quickly but still control your environment fully...even with hardware abstraction and "utility" pricing). I could go on. John, please feel free to contact me directly to discuss this. I'm just, as I said, concerned that some companies my be making these critical business decisions solely based on the hype and not on fully understanding their needs and other options. Love reading your stuff! -Michael John,

I know that we have had some discussion before and perhaps this could be (or already is) a subject of another of your articles. Everyone is caught up in the cloud hype and perhaps ignoring other services that may be better matches for what people are looking for. I would love to see a discussion about cloud vs. other offerings. I’m (obviously) especially intrigued by your “level 3″ classification of “cloud disrupters” of which you only list one vendor (3Tera). There are definitely others that are “under the radar”.
Cloud computing is not for everyone. There are definitely companies/developers who are interested in maintaining full control of their environments. I think that people need to know that by choosing a “cloud” solution, they give up certain flexibilities that come with dedicated servers, grid servers or even virtualized servers (like root access and full control of the underlying OS). I think one commonality is that of scalability. The “elasticity” of the cloud providers is a definite plus, meaning you scale automatically all using abstracted hardware and management software. Within traditional hosting, that can be done as well but can be slower and a bit more expensive. But what about that sweet spot in the center (scale quickly but still control your environment fully…even with hardware abstraction and “utility” pricing).
I could go on. John, please feel free to contact me directly to discuss this. I’m just, as I said, concerned that some companies my be making these critical business decisions solely based on the hype and not on fully understanding their needs and other options.
Love reading your stuff!
-Michael

]]> By: John http://www.johnmwillis.com/amazon/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3646 John Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:14:51 +0000 http://www.johnmwillis.com/saas/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/#comment-3646 IMHO, Mosso is a cloud because they truly abstract the hardware from the user. In Mosso you are not one slice on a shared host, a dedicated server, or even just a single vmware image. You share amoung a cloud of utility computers that allow you to consume resources on an as needed basis. In Mosso you exist in a "Cloud" of utility servers and like EC2 you don't really care where the server is. They also do elasticity very well. Thanks John IMHO, Mosso is a cloud because they truly abstract the hardware from the user. In Mosso you are not one slice on a shared host, a dedicated server, or even just a single vmware image. You share amoung a cloud of utility computers that allow you to consume resources on an as needed basis. In Mosso you exist in a “Cloud” of utility servers and like EC2 you don’t really care where the server is. They also do elasticity very well.

Thanks
John

]]> By: Mike http://www.johnmwillis.com/amazon/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3643 Mike Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:37:53 +0000 http://www.johnmwillis.com/saas/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/#comment-3643 hehe.. I think I got more confused. I have been on their site this morning and I can definitely see that criteria A is answered. Do you have a blog you have done earlier that shows b-d? hehe.. I think I got more confused. I have been on their site this morning and I can definitely see that criteria A is answered. Do you have a blog you have done earlier that shows b-d?

]]> By: John http://www.johnmwillis.com/amazon/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3641 John Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:26:25 +0000 http://www.johnmwillis.com/saas/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/#comment-3641 <p>I guess it all goes back to what is a cloud? It's like saying what is WEB 2.0 or not. My guess is that minimally you are a cloud if:</p> <p>a. You say you are one.<br /> b. You can some what prove you are cloud like.<br /> c. You uses commodity-based hardware as a base and the hardware can be replaced anytime without affecting the cloud.<br /> d. You use a commodity-based software container system (XenSource,VMWare). </p> <p>Clouds that add a secret sauce of elasticity are bettter clouds. </p> <p>It's true Mosso uses a different architecture than most but in my book they are no less a cloud. </p> <p>btw, Mosso that bimini top that came with my Grady White from 3Tera isn't getting it done... can you guys do look into that?</p> I guess it all goes back to what is a cloud? It’s like saying what is WEB 2.0 or not. My guess is that minimally you are a cloud if:

a. You say you are one.
b. You can some what prove you are cloud like.
c. You uses commodity-based hardware as a base and the hardware can be replaced anytime without affecting the cloud.
d. You use a commodity-based software container system (XenSource,VMWare).

Clouds that add a secret sauce of elasticity are bettter clouds.

It’s true Mosso uses a different architecture than most but in my book they are no less a cloud.

btw, Mosso that bimini top that came with my Grady White from 3Tera isn’t getting it done… can you guys do look into that?

]]> By: Mike http://www.johnmwillis.com/amazon/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3639 Mike Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:10:09 +0000 http://www.johnmwillis.com/saas/matching-the-customer-with-the-right-cloud-part-1/#comment-3639 I am not a mosso user so can you help me with this. How do you know mosso is a cloud and not just a shared site on a server? Is there something they should you that lets you know your on clustered machines? Thanks, Mike I am not a mosso user so can you help me with this. How do you know mosso is a cloud and not just a shared site on a server? Is there something they should you that lets you know your on clustered machines?

Thanks,
Mike

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