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		<title>By: Links List 11.24.08 &#124; ScienceLogic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links List 11.24.08 &#124; ScienceLogic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At CA World, CA announced a partnership with Amazon to provide “management capabilities around Amazon’s EC2 utility computing platform, potentially including discovery of software running on EC2 instances, performance monitoring, configuration management, software deployment capabilities and provisioning”. John Willis, in spite of some pretty funny potshots and stories about CA (don’t we all have them), writes that “CA is the first of the Big Four to take the cloud serious”. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At CA World, CA announced a partnership with Amazon to provide “management capabilities around Amazon’s EC2 utility computing platform, potentially including discovery of software running on EC2 instances, performance monitoring, configuration management, software deployment capabilities and provisioning”. John Willis, in spite of some pretty funny potshots and stories about CA (don’t we all have them), writes that “CA is the first of the Big Four to take the cloud serious”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Meiers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Meiers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard the same thing about CA acquisitions, ruthless.

When the company I worked for got acquired by IBM they kept everyone on for at least a year, by then most people who wanted to leave found another opportunity at another start-up. For me the next career move bumped my salary level 50% just because the name IBM was on the resume. It&#039;s been beneficial to this day and counting. I can only recommend it.

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard the same thing about CA acquisitions, ruthless.</p>
<p>When the company I worked for got acquired by IBM they kept everyone on for at least a year, by then most people who wanted to leave found another opportunity at another start-up. For me the next career move bumped my salary level 50% just because the name IBM was on the resume. It&#8217;s been beneficial to this day and counting. I can only recommend it.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a huge difference between buying companies and being ruthless when you buy companies.  Trust me CA was ruthless.  What I told is only the tip of the ice berg.  I worked for Morino who became Legent who became CA. I also have seen a lot of blood from good friends who were at Platinum.  I don&#039;t know about HP but IBM has always been a solid citizen when it comes to acquisitions.  

Cloud providers provide select tools.  Those tools are typically open source, however, they could just as well be proprietary.

IBM does not have a cloud, IMHO.  Furthermore, there is no reason IBM/Tivoli could not provide their software (monitoring, configuration, and provisioning) for the management of someone else&#039;s cloud. They have been in Google and Ebay for years (not exactly clouds but close).  I am surprised they haven&#039;t made any partnerships with the likes of Rackspace, Gogrid, ...

However, their ROI is a tough sell against open source solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a huge difference between buying companies and being ruthless when you buy companies.  Trust me CA was ruthless.  What I told is only the tip of the ice berg.  I worked for Morino who became Legent who became CA. I also have seen a lot of blood from good friends who were at Platinum.  I don&#8217;t know about HP but IBM has always been a solid citizen when it comes to acquisitions.  </p>
<p>Cloud providers provide select tools.  Those tools are typically open source, however, they could just as well be proprietary.</p>
<p>IBM does not have a cloud, IMHO.  Furthermore, there is no reason IBM/Tivoli could not provide their software (monitoring, configuration, and provisioning) for the management of someone else&#8217;s cloud. They have been in Google and Ebay for years (not exactly clouds but close).  I am surprised they haven&#8217;t made any partnerships with the likes of Rackspace, Gogrid, &#8230;</p>
<p>However, their ROI is a tough sell against open source solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Cary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well lets be serious here.  
First, Charles Wong is long gone from CA.  And, CA is no more ruthless than HP (who has been buying everything in sight) or IBM (also on a buying spree) or BMC (also buying what they can).

Second, cloud providers must provide those monitoring and management tools.

Third, HP and IBM are already offering their own version of &quot;cloud&quot; or &quot;on demand.&quot; So, other cloud providers cannot use their software.

Fourth, that doesn&#039;t leave much room for CA, BMC, Microsoft and others.  Those firms must ally themselves with cloud providers and play nice - or, eventually, just die off.  Those companies that don&#039;t get on the boat soon will simply fade away.

The problem with the cloud is that the scale and economics of it invites big players only - entrepreneuralism in computing is dead - big players only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well lets be serious here.<br />
First, Charles Wong is long gone from CA.  And, CA is no more ruthless than HP (who has been buying everything in sight) or IBM (also on a buying spree) or BMC (also buying what they can).</p>
<p>Second, cloud providers must provide those monitoring and management tools.</p>
<p>Third, HP and IBM are already offering their own version of &#8220;cloud&#8221; or &#8220;on demand.&#8221; So, other cloud providers cannot use their software.</p>
<p>Fourth, that doesn&#8217;t leave much room for CA, BMC, Microsoft and others.  Those firms must ally themselves with cloud providers and play nice &#8211; or, eventually, just die off.  Those companies that don&#8217;t get on the boat soon will simply fade away.</p>
<p>The problem with the cloud is that the scale and economics of it invites big players only &#8211; entrepreneuralism in computing is dead &#8211; big players only.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugggh CA as an enemy. I guess that doesn&#039;t fit well with P09FJMW.COM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugggh CA as an enemy. I guess that doesn&#8217;t fit well with P09FJMW.COM</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Buytaert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Buytaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess you have found your enemy :)</description>
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