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		<title>By: William Vambenepe&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; IT management and Cloud: now some products</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Vambenepe&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; IT management and Cloud: now some products</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many of us have been thinking (a bit) and talking (a lot) about the relationship between Clouds and good old IT management.  John understands both sides and produced a few good posts (like this one). [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cloud Review &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloud Review &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Is Guitar Hero a Cloud? The Cloud Wars &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Guitar Hero a Cloud? The Cloud Wars &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] note titled “The Cloud Wars: $100+ billion at stake” and it started me thinking about the cloud vs. IT infrastructure question again.  As the cloud-o-sphere tries to define this &#8220;cloud&#8221; thing, myself included, it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen brother Damon...</description>
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		<title>By: Damon Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My $0.02:
I&#039;m somewhat confused about what people want when they call for a standard specifically for the &quot;clouds&quot;. Clouds are just the same old thing by a new fancy. Its brilliant marketing and not technical innovation.

Clouds are not &quot;clouds&quot; because of technical reasons. Cloulds are &quot;clouds&quot; because of business reasons. What&#039;s ec2? Its Linux, its Xen, its some Ruby-based tools, its a billing system, and its a whole lot of commodity hardware and network gear. There&#039;s really no new technology there. What actually is new? How it&#039;s being run, the business relationship between you and the provider, the financial model under which you get to use the stuff, the ownership of the operational risk... these are all business concepts and this is where the innovation lies. 

The IT management stack (hardware and network provisioning, os provisioning, platform configuration management, application deployment, monitoring) is the same inside the cloud as it is outside of the cloud. The only differences are who is responsible for doing it and the level of automation and reliability that their business needs require.

In my own self-interest, the whole cloud concept has been great because it shins a light on just how semi-manual, kludgy, unreliable, and downright awful most people&#039;s processes really are. But I hold out little hope for this new buzz to create any sort of IT management standard. It hasn&#039;t happened since the invention of commercial computing and it&#039;s not gong to happen now. All we can do is focus on making straightforward and effective free tools that solve peoples problems and easily interoperate.

Keep up the good work, John.


-Damon
http://dev2ops.org
http://controltier.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My $0.02:<br />
I&#8217;m somewhat confused about what people want when they call for a standard specifically for the &#8220;clouds&#8221;. Clouds are just the same old thing by a new fancy. Its brilliant marketing and not technical innovation.</p>
<p>Clouds are not &#8220;clouds&#8221; because of technical reasons. Cloulds are &#8220;clouds&#8221; because of business reasons. What&#8217;s ec2? Its Linux, its Xen, its some Ruby-based tools, its a billing system, and its a whole lot of commodity hardware and network gear. There&#8217;s really no new technology there. What actually is new? How it&#8217;s being run, the business relationship between you and the provider, the financial model under which you get to use the stuff, the ownership of the operational risk&#8230; these are all business concepts and this is where the innovation lies. </p>
<p>The IT management stack (hardware and network provisioning, os provisioning, platform configuration management, application deployment, monitoring) is the same inside the cloud as it is outside of the cloud. The only differences are who is responsible for doing it and the level of automation and reliability that their business needs require.</p>
<p>In my own self-interest, the whole cloud concept has been great because it shins a light on just how semi-manual, kludgy, unreliable, and downright awful most people&#8217;s processes really are. But I hold out little hope for this new buzz to create any sort of IT management standard. It hasn&#8217;t happened since the invention of commercial computing and it&#8217;s not gong to happen now. All we can do is focus on making straightforward and effective free tools that solve peoples problems and easily interoperate.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, John.</p>
<p>-Damon<br />
<a href="http://dev2ops.org" rel="nofollow">http://dev2ops.org</a><br />
<a href="http://controltier.com" rel="nofollow">http://controltier.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I think the magic of the &quot;cloud&quot; is going to come down to cost and speed of deployment.  Cost savings will come in a number of ways. One, the obvious savings for new projects, startups, and prototypes.  I spoke to a startup the other day that is using EC2/S3 and they estimated that they saved at least 70k for their initial startup.  That is huge for a few guys trying to take a new idea to market.  The second big saving is when you get into template based clouds like 3Tera, RightScale, and Elastra the administration costs can be significantly reduced.  These type of infrastructures start to save companies huge administration and professional service costs because the complex multiple instance configurations are simplified by tools and scripts. For example, the 70k savings that the startup I mentioned was only in hardware infrastructure costs.  They still had to design,develop, and implement a complicated logical multiple instance infrastructure. Fortunately , for them, they were an ex Java professional services guys but their time/costs could have also been reduced had they been able to start with someone like Rightscale and Elastra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I think the magic of the &#8220;cloud&#8221; is going to come down to cost and speed of deployment.  Cost savings will come in a number of ways. One, the obvious savings for new projects, startups, and prototypes.  I spoke to a startup the other day that is using EC2/S3 and they estimated that they saved at least 70k for their initial startup.  That is huge for a few guys trying to take a new idea to market.  The second big saving is when you get into template based clouds like 3Tera, RightScale, and Elastra the administration costs can be significantly reduced.  These type of infrastructures start to save companies huge administration and professional service costs because the complex multiple instance configurations are simplified by tools and scripts. For example, the 70k savings that the startup I mentioned was only in hardware infrastructure costs.  They still had to design,develop, and implement a complicated logical multiple instance infrastructure. Fortunately , for them, they were an ex Java professional services guys but their time/costs could have also been reduced had they been able to start with someone like Rightscale and Elastra.</p>
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		<title>By: John Allspaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allspaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, John. In trying to figure out what bothers me most about the magical promises of cloud computing, I can say that at least part of it is what Adam said about the current toolkit. Black boxes don&#039;t impress me, even elastic ones. Transparency is indeed what I think we need, and as standards and cloud-specific tools are developed, I&#039;m willing to bet the magic will be backed up with numbers.

cloudstatus.com showed the basics of what is possible. When cloud providers start seeing their resources graphed, in public view...now we&#039;re talking competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, John. In trying to figure out what bothers me most about the magical promises of cloud computing, I can say that at least part of it is what Adam said about the current toolkit. Black boxes don&#8217;t impress me, even elastic ones. Transparency is indeed what I think we need, and as standards and cloud-specific tools are developed, I&#8217;m willing to bet the magic will be backed up with numbers.</p>
<p>cloudstatus.com showed the basics of what is possible. When cloud providers start seeing their resources graphed, in public view&#8230;now we&#8217;re talking competition.</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; links for 2008-07-03</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; links for 2008-07-03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

If I didn&#039;t know who you were I would be an idiot.  I consider you one of the rock stars of this movement. I am really sad I couldn&#039;t make it to Velocity 08... hopefully next year.

Thanks
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t know who you were I would be an idiot.  I consider you one of the rock stars of this movement. I am really sad I couldn&#8217;t make it to Velocity 08&#8230; hopefully next year.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I should have said, I&#039;m part of the &#039;Guys at HJK Solutions&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I should have said, I&#8217;m part of the &#8216;Guys at HJK Solutions&#8217;.</p>
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