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		<title>By: Derek Haynes (Scout)</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-70964</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Haynes (Scout)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the founder of Scout, a server monitoring solution with cloud support, I believe there are distinct needs when monitoring a cloud enviroment. John hit on most of them in his list.

The problem with many existing tools is that monitoring solutions that are saved with backup images or configuration scripts are difficult to update and test. You don&#039;t really want to mess with your deployment process and verifying it&#039;s working after a change is also a pain. 

Our approach with Scout: a single crontab entry that loads a monitoring profile from our web interface at scoutapp.com. This profile can be changed at any time and won&#039;t break a deployment. It&#039;s super light-weight (just 1 line of code) and you can tailor monitoring without fear. 

More info on our approach: http://bit.ly/PJW4o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the founder of Scout, a server monitoring solution with cloud support, I believe there are distinct needs when monitoring a cloud enviroment. John hit on most of them in his list.</p>
<p>The problem with many existing tools is that monitoring solutions that are saved with backup images or configuration scripts are difficult to update and test. You don&#8217;t really want to mess with your deployment process and verifying it&#8217;s working after a change is also a pain. </p>
<p>Our approach with Scout: a single crontab entry that loads a monitoring profile from our web interface at scoutapp.com. This profile can be changed at any time and won&#8217;t break a deployment. It&#8217;s super light-weight (just 1 line of code) and you can tailor monitoring without fear. </p>
<p>More info on our approach: <a href="http://bit.ly/PJW4o" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/PJW4o</a></p>
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		<title>By: NETwork Monitoring DIVA</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-66993</link>
		<dc:creator>NETwork Monitoring DIVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at GWOS (GroundWork) with the Tap-In plugin.  It&#039;s a pretty sweet package for cloud management.  http://www.groundworkopensource.com/exchange/cloud_management</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at GWOS (GroundWork) with the Tap-In plugin.  It&#8217;s a pretty sweet package for cloud management.  <a href="http://www.groundworkopensource.com/exchange/cloud_management" rel="nofollow">http://www.groundworkopensource.com/exchange/cloud_management</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hovhannes Avoyan</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-65480</link>
		<dc:creator>Hovhannes Avoyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at http://www.monitorcloud.com/monitorcloud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at <a href="http://www.monitorcloud.com/monitorcloud" rel="nofollow">http://www.monitorcloud.com/monitorcloud</a></p>
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		<title>By: onthecloud</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-60575</link>
		<dc:creator>onthecloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it&#039;s not open source, we have heard great things from our clients about Techout, which offers cloud monitoring with a &quot;software as a service&quot; approach.  Outsourcing web monitoring is another option that&#039;s available; it might be a viable one for some businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it&#8217;s not open source, we have heard great things from our clients about Techout, which offers cloud monitoring with a &#8220;software as a service&#8221; approach.  Outsourcing web monitoring is another option that&#8217;s available; it might be a viable one for some businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Whitehead</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-45705</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello John;

I have been compiling a list of open source monitoring systems, tools and supporting what-nots here: http://www.heliosdev.org/open-source

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John;</p>
<p>I have been compiling a list of open source monitoring systems, tools and supporting what-nots here: <a href="http://www.heliosdev.org/open-source" rel="nofollow">http://www.heliosdev.org/open-source</a></p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: William Louth</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-20945</link>
		<dc:creator>William Louth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I really like about cloud computing is that there is a much stronger correlation of cost with *** service activity *** and more than likely performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I really like about cloud computing is that there is a much stronger correlation of cost with *** service activity *** and more than likely performance.</p>
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		<title>By: William Louth</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-20944</link>
		<dc:creator>William Louth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Benjamin,

I think what is different with &quot;cloud monitoring&quot; as an approach rather than a technology is that the cost model (how one is charged for usage) does not necessarily reflect the application resource model (i.e. cpu, memory) typical of traditional system management models. The management model can consist of multi meters some used in the calculation of the monthly billing (vendor rate plans) and others used for standard service level management. 

What I really like about cloud computing is that there is a much stronger correlation of cost with resource usage and more than likely performance. Performance is not just some timing statistic used in service level management reporting but an actual cost that appears on a balance sheet. We now just need to start placing a value on activities (fine grain and not just a large service label) and calculating the real/virtual profits of such activity.

William</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Benjamin,</p>
<p>I think what is different with &#8220;cloud monitoring&#8221; as an approach rather than a technology is that the cost model (how one is charged for usage) does not necessarily reflect the application resource model (i.e. cpu, memory) typical of traditional system management models. The management model can consist of multi meters some used in the calculation of the monthly billing (vendor rate plans) and others used for standard service level management. </p>
<p>What I really like about cloud computing is that there is a much stronger correlation of cost with resource usage and more than likely performance. Performance is not just some timing statistic used in service level management reporting but an actual cost that appears on a balance sheet. We now just need to start placing a value on activities (fine grain and not just a large service label) and calculating the real/virtual profits of such activity.</p>
<p>William</p>
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		<title>By: September Roundup! &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-20896</link>
		<dc:creator>September Roundup! &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-20008</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

We are in violent agreement!

That is still just domain-specific application-level monitoring, to which the &quot;cloud&quot; is largely irrelevant.  You can track anything by determining metrics and monitoring them, that doesn&#039;t make monitoring the cloud anything new.  It also doesn&#039;t make them pointless, that monitoring is important.

It&#039;s just a matter of nomenclature; the cloud is just another word for distributed resources that we&#039;ve had in one way or another for many years.  Now that it&#039;s a service that you lease from another company over the Internet, it doesn&#039;t deserve it&#039;s own category, in my opinion.  The issues involved in monitoring the cloud have always existed since we&#039;ve had networks.

&quot;Cloud Monitoring&quot; looks a whole lot like, for example, running BMC Patrol and the BMC agent on your distributed servers in an intranet doing application-level performance monitoring (which I did 10 years ago at State Farm).

Calling it something new only helps marketing folks associate themselves with trends, and blogs to get hits.  And here I am, helping validate that for John.  *waves*   (grin)

I really don&#039;t mind, perhaps it&#039;s useful to group a set of common use cases together as a &quot;cloud,&quot; but it&#039;s not like it&#039;s some kind of (cough) paradigm shift.  Let&#039;s just call a spade a spade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>We are in violent agreement!</p>
<p>That is still just domain-specific application-level monitoring, to which the &#8220;cloud&#8221; is largely irrelevant.  You can track anything by determining metrics and monitoring them, that doesn&#8217;t make monitoring the cloud anything new.  It also doesn&#8217;t make them pointless, that monitoring is important.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a matter of nomenclature; the cloud is just another word for distributed resources that we&#8217;ve had in one way or another for many years.  Now that it&#8217;s a service that you lease from another company over the Internet, it doesn&#8217;t deserve it&#8217;s own category, in my opinion.  The issues involved in monitoring the cloud have always existed since we&#8217;ve had networks.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cloud Monitoring&#8221; looks a whole lot like, for example, running BMC Patrol and the BMC agent on your distributed servers in an intranet doing application-level performance monitoring (which I did 10 years ago at State Farm).</p>
<p>Calling it something new only helps marketing folks associate themselves with trends, and blogs to get hits.  And here I am, helping validate that for John.  *waves*   (grin)</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t mind, perhaps it&#8217;s useful to group a set of common use cases together as a &#8220;cloud,&#8221; but it&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s some kind of (cough) paradigm shift.  Let&#8217;s just call a spade a spade.</p>
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		<title>By: System Monitoring &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Smörgåsbord of links</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmwillis.com/monitoring/possible-cloud-monitoring-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-18555</link>
		<dc:creator>System Monitoring &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Smörgåsbord of links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That came via John M Willis  who also has an interesting post about what makes for a good monitoring tool &#8220;in the cloud&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That came via John M Willis  who also has an interesting post about what makes for a good monitoring tool &#8220;in the cloud&#8221; [...]</p>
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